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Leaving Neverland: Part 1 1
Leaving Neverland: Part 2 2
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Daily at HBO 1 seasons Ended
Leaving Neverland is a 120 minute documentary . The series premiered on Sun Mar 03, 2019 on HBO and Leaving Neverland: Part 2 (S01E02) last aired on Mon Mar 04, 2019.
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3 weeks ago

I’ll be honest, I always believed the accusers!
Michael was clearly disturbed, had really weird attitudes and just because he was a music genius, it doesn’t mean he was a saint!
People say: but why now?
Not now, this was always a subject but people never believed!
People say: Just some came forward with the accusations! Dozens didn’t!!!!!!
Wake up people, it’s the same thing when women are abused! Almost none come forward to report!!!!!
It’s weird for me to see how many people are defending him with no doubt he was innocent! I mean, how could you know?????? We were never there!!!! It could be true!!!! And A LOT points this to be true!!!! I personally always thought he was a pedophile!!!
Ps: I haven’t even seen the documentary! But I’m sure my opinion won’t change...

I’ll be honest, I always believed the accusers!
Michael was clearly disturbed, had really weird attitudes and just because he was a music genius, it doesn’t mean he was a saint!
People say: but why now?
Not now, this was always a subject but people never believed!
People say: Just some came forward with the accusations! Dozens didn’t!!!!!!
Wake up people, it’s the same thing when women are abused! Almost none come forward to report!!!!!
It’s weird for me to see how many people are defending him with no doubt he was innocent! I mean, how could you know?????? We were never there!!!! It could be true!!!! And A LOT points this to be true!!!! I personally always thought he was a pedophile!!!
Ps: I haven’t even seen the documentary! But I’m sure my opinion won’t change...

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3 weeks ago

It’s good to read a comment that does not dismiss others suffering

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3 weeks ago

Personally I have never been a fan of his work so I guess it’s easier to separate the artist and the person behind it. Maybe if you are a big superstar you are an easier target for schemes and lies but also means you have more means to cover up stuff that does happen. As sad as it is I’ve always felt like people forgave him everything and anything because of his star power and overlooking that he could be flawed led to the suffering of many. It’s sickening to see in the documentary how before the trial he was playing a sick guy, barely moving, needing help to walk and then he was cheering jumping up and down next to the car.
At the very least, even if all of this was/is a lie, it should make parents and everyone more aware that kids need to be protected. That fame isn’t holy. That bad things do happen and a lot goes on behind the curtains.

3 weeks ago

The truth always hurts.

2 weeks ago

I think it's far more complicated than this. I'm not saying he was innocent, but those 2 testimonies feel very....scripted. And that Wade guy is clearly trying to benefit of the me too movement. After M.Jackson death he wanted to be the choreograph of a show around MJ, and he didn't get the job, just after that he filled a lawsuit for sexual abused.
My main issue with the documentary (only seen part 1 so far) is that it only focused on 2 guys who are reporting alleged abused. It's not how a journalist is supposed to do his job....there's always 2 side to a story, in that case the alleged perpetrator is dead so it would have been 'fair' to include people who spent a lot of time at Neverland as kid, and who had no abused to report. The Director's excuse for not doing so is "but they wouldn't have been an eye witness since the abuses were happening behind close door...." Which is just BS since it's those 2 'victims' voice against no one. The documentary is biased from the beginning. I'm honestly surprised HBO decided to air such a very amateur documentary.
Now, MJ was definitely someone quite strange. And I will never say "I'm sure nothing happened". Like we say, there's no smoke without fire. I also do believe he had a particular state of mind and probably some mental issues that made behave the way he did (probably because of his childhood). But again, it's hard for me to believe these 2 guys. So many things in their story sound more than strange. I enjoyed watching the old clips, that's all I take from the documentary.
To me they didn't prove something happened, and we have no proof that nothing happened. So back to square one.
There are many opportunist especially when it related to famous people, so I can't always trust the victims. It's too easy. You claim something, you have to prove it or at least bring something on the table that will be more than words.

2 weeks ago

Also, if you say "I always believe the accusers" then you're not better than the ones who claim MJ was innocent ;) You have to be fair in the judgment of the situation.

2 weeks ago

R.MishimaCoppe there's indeed a difference, my bad, I didn't catch it while reading your post, sorry about that.

20 hours ago

I have just seen it on French television. I must say I was never a fan but I don't hate the guy. It moved me. I felt sickened. And I'm mostly thinking that he did do it. In a sick, twisted way it's very sad for him. I think he must have suffered a lot and he liked the attention. He made those child LOVE him. That's why they didn't see it as abuse. That's why it took so long to register. But I can't handle the fact that people who don't know would insult others who don't know. Apart from MJ and the children no one knows. Let them speak their truth so they can be free. Why does it bother you? Because he is someone you love and so you think that loving someone who did that makes YOU bad? You can love his music but unless you live with the person you don't know them. One of my favorite singers killed his girlfriend in a fight when they were both drunk and high.... does it change how I see him? Yes a little. Does it make the art he created less beautiful? That's open for debate. You don't even know what happens in your neighbors' bedroom, how can you know what happened in MJ's? My favorite boysband singer as a child was accused of rape a few months back, and when I say favorite I mean I was head over heels in love with "him" for years. But truly what did I know of him outside of his songs and interviews where you say what his manager wanted him to say.... I still don't know what to believe but I can't defend him blindly just because I used to love him.

10 hours ago

Firstly, you can't comment on something that you haven't seen. Secondly, as you said, we just cannot know because we were never there. So it could be either false or true. Thirdly, the documentary is full of a bunch of statements withouth any tangible evidence. Last but not least, the two (only two!!) interviewed witnesses are very unreliable. This documentary is just too bad filmed that it is utterly unreliable.

3 weeks ago

Sorry, but how can you know for sure he’s not guilty? How can you be so certain it could not have happened?
The person who would be able to testify for sure the claims were false would be someone who spent 24 hours of the day, everyday, for decades beside MJ. I don’t think such person exists.

Is easy to think we KNOW famous people ‘cause they’re exposed and their intimacy are in magazines, the internet and tv shows. But, we don’t know them. And to dismiss someone’s suffering to defend someone you don’t really know is just sad. It shows you may need to learn more about empathy.

He was a talented individual, that is undeniable. But he was also a victim of violence when he was a child and could be reproducing what he learned as a “caring relationship”. Violence works like a vicious cycle.

I understand who decides not to take sides, since its a delicate issue and sometimes it’s hard to understand if you don’t get informed on sexual abuse and its aftermath.
But I choose to believe the victims.

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3 weeks ago

Now I must start this off by saying I have yet to chose aside in this case, and I don't intent to. Guilty or innocent, it doesn't matter to me, and I think it's just one of those mysteries that will remain unsolved for the rest of eternity (unless more accusers come forward). What matters to me most though is the rejection from people worldwide to this documentary. People have swarmed this documentary and anything slightly related to it with negative comments. "He's dead and not here to defend himself, let the man rest" is a defensive statement I've seen being used constantly, but in my opinion, dead or not, the accusers' stories should be heard.... even if there's a chance they might be lying. And as I'm saying this many people refuses to watch the documentary. It seems everyone is always in favor of hearing accusers' stories until it's a celebrity they love.



Micheal Jackson's star power is crazy! Celebrity worship is something you see occasionally criticized in today's modern era. In the age of Instagram, Twitter, Reddit etc. all fanbases are criticized. From Rihanna's 'Navy' to Beyonce's 'Beyhive' to One Directioners etc. But criticism for Micheal Jackson is almost non-existent. A superstar who I believe is the most worshiped celebrity in history. Micheal Jackson isn't criticized, because it seems almost everyone's a fan. But for everyone who blatantly comment "these are lies!" etc. I must ask would you be saying the same if you weren't a Micheal Jackson fan, or if it wasn't Micheal Jackson being accused??

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3 weeks ago

This is another pointless documentary, like the Martin Bashir one to make you think Michael is not the genuine person he was while alive. Now again you have supporters like me defending an already acquitted man (twice). Both men have no evidence to back up their claims and the brainwashing continues to effect the ones who don’t want to investigate or gain any understanding of why their doing this. Examples like Corey Feldman or Macaulay Culkin both have stated whether in interviews or on the stand during his trial that Michael didn’t do anything. Just another sad attempt to kill a legacy and to put Black men in the forefront of sexual abuse/pedophilia and not the numerous white men who made it famous.

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2 weeks ago

Alucinante este documental, muy perturbador, muy explícito y revelador y creo que antes de enjuiciar y tomar una decisión acerca de si cree o no en las acusaciones es importante verlo, ya que hay gente que ha decidido no verlo y defender a muerte a Michael Jackson.
En mi caso creo al 100% lo que acontece y se muestra en el documental y la historia de estos niños, ahora adultos y sus familias es desgarradora y no me parece para nada una invención.
Ya está dando que hablar y más que dará cuando lo estrenen en España.
Recomiendo a todo el mundo que lo vea sin duda, 4 horas pero te mantiene enganchado.

Amazing this documentary, very disturbing, very explicit and revealing and I believe that before judging and making a decision about whether or not to believe in the accusations it is important to see it, as there are people who have decided not to see and defend Michael Jackson to death .
In my case I believe 100% what happens and is shown in the documentary and the history of these children, now adults and their families is heartbreaking and it does not seem at all an invention.
It is already giving talk and more than it will give when they premiere in Spain.
I recommend everyone to see it without a doubt, 4 hours but it keeps you hooked.

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6 days ago

I didn't want to watch this given the outcry from the fans, being one myself (not anymore) because you know, they didn't have the version of the other side. But talking to my wife, she understood me for overlooking certain aspects of Michael, but then she said something that totally shocked me "how can you overlook the grooming and his narcissistic behavior?" and that hit me coz I have read about the subject of pedophilia, and I just didn't want to see it coz he was Michael Jackson...

At this point I think LaToya was telling the truth all long and that she only claimed her past statements were false coz she needed money from MJ.

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2 days ago

A lot of things left in the air... This is like a one way trial so I cannot take part in each side. You can see good and bad if you really think about it. Love? Humanity? Rights? Feelings? Crime? Man, there are always to sides of the same story...

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